Awesome Indie vs Hacker News

Awesome Indie vs Hacker News

This comparison is the one honest disclaimer on this site: nothing replaces Hacker News. When a Show HN lands, it sends more technical readers in an afternoon than a directory sends in a year, and no launch board is going to argue with that. What it is not is repeatable, plannable or measurable in advance, and it leaves you nothing afterwards, because there is no page of yours on it. Awesome Indie is the other half of that: a dated launch day, a permanent page, a ranking you can read.

The short answer

Two different jobs. Here is the one sentence version of each.

Launch on Awesome Indie when

You want a date, a page and a number: a launch day chosen in advance, between 15 and 30 products on it, comments, a maker profile, and a permanent listing that keeps being ranked by week, month and year.

Post a Show HN when

You built something a technical person can run in the next two minutes, you can be at your desk to answer for it all day, and you are willing to accept that the most likely outcome is a handful of points and no comments. The upside has no ceiling, which is why everyone tries.

These are not alternatives in any real sense and treating them as ones is how launch weeks get wasted. Show HN is a lottery ticket with excellent odds compared to most lotteries. A launch board is the thing that still exists the following month. Post the Show HN, and have somewhere for the people who missed it to find you.

Awesome Indie and Hacker News, line by line

The whole thing side by side, before any of the argument below.

Awesome Indie compared with Hacker News, attribute by attribute.
Compared onAwesome Indieawesomeindie.comHacker Newsnews.ycombinator.com
Getting on there
CostFree. $9.99 once per product if you want to choose the launch date yourself.Free. Nothing is for sale and nothing can be bought, which is most of why it is worth caring about.
What you are allowed to postA product people can use. Ideas, waitlists and landing pages are turned down.“Something you've made that other people can play with.” Blog posts, sign-up pages, newsletters and lists are off topic; so are landing pages and fundraisers.
The quality barAn LLM pass on every submission, then a human for anything unclear.“The project should be non-trivial. Don't post quickly-generated one-offs; anybody can do that now.” Enforced by readers flagging, not by review.
When it happensA date you know in advance, published at midnight UTC, with a reminder a week before.Whenever you submit. There is no slot, no queue and no date to plan around.
Can you go againOne launch per product; a big update is a community post, so the archive stays honest.Effectively once. Version bumps “generally aren't substantive enough”, and deleting and reposting is against the guidelines.
What actually happens
How the ranking worksUpvotes alone, per day, archived as the day finished, then ranked again by week, month and year.Points divided by a power of the time since posting, plus user flags, anti-abuse software, software that demotes overheated discussions, account or site weighting, and moderator action.
Where it appearsThe homepage for your whole launch day, then a permanent page and the period boards.Every Show HN appears on /shownew; it only reaches /show after clearing a small points threshold.
What a typical post getsA day of ranking against between 15 and 30 products, and a page that keeps being found through 148 categories afterwards.On the 30 posts on /show when I sampled it: a median of 3 points, 24 of them under ten, 17 with no comments at all, and one on 160.
Can you ask for votesYes, share it freely. What gets pulled is vote rings and duplicate accounts, not promotion.No. “Please don't ask friends to upvote or comment”, and the guidelines ask you not to use the site primarily for promotion.
How it can go wrongA quiet day. The page stays, and the week, month and year boards give it three more chances.[flagged] or [dead] by flags, software or moderators, with no second submission available to you.
What you keep afterwards
A page of your ownYes, permanent: description, screenshots, upvotes, rating, comments and the maker behind it.No. There is a thread, which belongs to the discussion rather than to the product.
Found by anyone laterThrough 148 categories and the daily, weekly, monthly and yearly boards.Only by search inside the archive. There are no categories and no product directory.
A profile for the makerYes, with your products, followers, streak and a place on the leaderboard.A username and karma. Nothing that shows what you have built.

Scroll the table sideways to see both columns.

The Show HN figures come from one page of /show (30 posts), and they describe posts that had already cleared the threshold to get there.

What a Show HN typically gets, measured rather than remembered

Everyone remembers the front-page ones. Here is the page underneath.

The /show page held 30 posts when I sampled it. The median score was 3 points. 24 of the 30 were under ten points, 17 had no comments at all, and the top post had 160. That is the distribution people mean when they say Hacker News is a lottery: one big winner, a long flat tail, nothing in between.

The part that matters for the comparison is which page that is. Every Show HN goes to /shownew, and it only reaches /show after clearing a small points threshold. So those 30 posts are already the ones that passed a filter, and the median is still 3 points and zero comments. The full picture, including /shownew, is worse than that.

None of which is an argument against posting. The expected value of a free submission with an uncapped ceiling is good, and a Show HN that works beats every other channel available to an indie maker. It is an argument against planning a launch as though the outcome were knowable, and against having nothing else running that week.

The rules are strict, specific and worth reading before you post

Show HN has its own guidelines, and they rule out a lot of what makers try to launch. On topic is “something you've made that other people can play with”; off topic is “blog posts, sign-up pages, newsletters, lists, and other reading material”, because those cannot be tried out. Landing pages and fundraisers are out. The project must be non-trivial: “don't post quickly-generated one-offs; anybody can do that now”. It also has to be your own work, with you around to discuss it. If it is not ready for people to try, the instruction is to come back when it is.

Two more that catch people. Version bumps generally are not substantive enough for a Show HN, so this is close to a one-shot channel per product, and deleting and reposting is against the site guidelines. And asking friends to upvote or comment is not allowed: “that's not ok on HN”. Whatever audience you have assembled, HN is not where you spend it.

Awesome Indie is deliberately the opposite on that last point. A launch day is something you are expected to tell people about; the integrity work happens on the vote instead: one account, one upvote, vote rings and duplicate accounts removed. If you have a list, a Discord or a following, that is the board to spend it on, and the Show HN can stand or fall on its own.

What Hacker News does not give you, and what to do about it

A Show HN gives you a thread. It does not give you a page: no product page of your own, no categories, no maker profile, no badge, no screenshots you control, no rating, and nothing that is still working next month. When the thread falls off the page, the traffic stops that day.

That is exactly the gap a launch board fills, and it is why the two belong in the same week rather than in a choice. After a Awesome Indie launch there is a permanent product page, a place in 148 categories, and three more rankings to appear in: the week, the month and the year, across 1,400 launch days archived since 2020.

It is also the smaller audience by a wide margin, and pretending otherwise would be silly: 9,438 makers in 80 countries and 3,360 products launched, all published on the Open Analytics page including the flat months. Hacker News on a good day is a different order of magnitude. The point is not to replace it. The point is that the day after a Show HN, whatever happened, there should be somewhere for people to find the thing.

The honest ledger

A comparison written by one of the two sites is worth nothing if it only lists its own wins. Here is the column that goes the other way, first.

What Hacker News does better

No ceiling on the good outcome

A Show HN that lands beats every launch board, newsletter and directory available to an indie maker, combined.

The most technical readers anywhere

People who will actually run your thing, read the code and tell you what is wrong with it in detail.

Nothing is for sale

No tiers, no boosts, no sponsor slots, no badge trade. The ranking cannot be bought at any price.

What Awesome Indie does better

A launch you can plan

A date known in advance, a reminder a week before, and $9.99 if the date has to be exact.

A page that outlives the day

Permanent, with your screenshots, description, rating and comments, filed into 148 categories.

You are allowed to tell people

Sharing a launch is the point here, not a guideline violation. The vote is what gets policed instead.

Three more rankings after the day

The week, the month and the year, so one quiet Tuesday is not the whole story.

How to use both

The two work together in one specific order, and the order matters more here than anywhere else on this site.

  1. Book the Awesome Indie date first, for the day after

    Submit and take a date. Then, whatever the Show HN does, there is something running the next morning and a page for people to land on.

  2. Read the Show HN guidelines properly, then make it trivial to try

    No signup wall if you can avoid it, no landing page, no waitlist. “Please make it easy for users to try your thing out” is the single line most Show HN posts fail on.

  3. Post it yourself, early, and sit with it all day

    Do not ask anyone to upvote: it is against the rules and the anti-abuse software is better than you are. Answer every comment; that is the part you control.

  4. Spend your own audience on the launch day, not on the thread

    Your list and your following are worth upvotes where upvotes are allowed, and upvotes are the whole ranking: they decide the day, and how far up the week, the month and the year the product sits afterwards.

Hacker News questions, answered plainly

Is Awesome Indie a Hacker News alternative?
No, and it would be dishonest to say otherwise. Nothing replaces the upside of a Show HN that lands. What Awesome Indie replaces is the part Hacker News does not do: a date you can plan, a page that stays, a ranking you can read and a link rule that is published. Post the Show HN; use a launch board for the rest of the week.
What does a normal Show HN actually get?
Less than the famous ones suggest. On the 30 posts on /show I sampled, all of which had already cleared the threshold to get off /shownew, the median was 3 points, 24 were under ten points and 17 had no comments at all, while the top post had 160.
Can I ask people to upvote my Show HN?
No. “Please don't ask friends to upvote or comment. That's not ok on HN.” Ranking also runs through anti-abuse software, user flags and moderator action, so it is a bad bet as well as a rule. On Awesome Indie sharing your launch is expected and the vote itself is what gets policed.
What if my Show HN gets flagged or dies?
It happens through user flags, anti-abuse software or moderators, and deleting and reposting is against the guidelines, so there is usually no second attempt. That asymmetry is the argument for having a dated launch elsewhere in the same week rather than putting everything on one submission.
Should I post the Show HN and launch on the same day?
Better one after the other. Give the Show HN a clean morning of its own without any promotion from you, and keep the Awesome Indie launch for the day you do spend your audience. The two rankings want opposite behaviour from you.

Other comparisons

The same treatment, for the other places makers submit to.