Awesome Indie vs BetaList

Awesome Indie vs BetaList

BetaList has been publishing a handful of early-stage startups a day since 2010, which makes it older than almost everything it is compared with. The two things worth knowing before you spend an afternoon on a submission are that it now charges for every one of them, and that it is aimed at a different moment in a product's life than a launch board is.

The short answer

Two different jobs. Here is the one sentence version of each.

Launch on Awesome Indie when

The product works and people can use it today. You get a fixed launch date, a ranked day, comments, a permanent page and a maker profile, for nothing. If your budget for launching is zero, Awesome Indie is not a compromise, it is the main path.

Submit to BetaList when

You are before launch rather than after it: a landing page, a waitlist, an email field and a genuinely new idea. That is the audience it has spent fifteen years collecting, and 70k people read the newsletter it goes out in. If what you want is early sign-ups for something that does not exist yet, this is the better fit.

They are not really rivals, they are consecutive. BetaList is for the waitlist, Awesome Indie is for the working product, and plenty of makers have used both on the same project a few months apart. Awesome Indie did: it was featured on BetaList on 10 April 2021.

Awesome Indie and BetaList, line by line

The whole thing side by side, before any of the argument below.

Awesome Indie compared with BetaList, attribute by attribute.
Compared onAwesome Indieawesomeindie.comBetaListbetalist.com
Getting listed
Cost to be listedFree. $9.99 once per product if you want to choose the date yourself.Paid. Its FAQ states that all submissions now require payment, that the price depends on the plan you choose, and that you are refunded in full and automatically if your startup is not selected.
What stage it wantsSomething people can use today. An early or rough product is fine; a placeholder page is not.Pre-launch and recently launched startups, with a clear value proposition, good design and an innovative idea. A proper domain is required, so no free subdomains and no app store links.
Who decidesAn automatic check, then a human for anything unclear. Every accepted product is published on its day.A curator. It says it receives thousands of submissions a month and selects from them.
Time to a decisionUsually within the hour, free, and the launch date comes with the acceptance.Depends on the plan you paid for. The expected timeline is shown when you pick one.
Published per daySomewhere between 15 and 30 as things stand, all at midnight UTC.Roughly 8 to 16, counted from its own homepage over four days.
What the listing is
Is there a rankingYes. Every day is ordered by upvotes and nothing else, and archived as it stood.No. Listings carry the date they were featured, and there is no leaderboard to climb.
Upvotes and commentsBoth. One upvote and one rating per account, and as many comments as you like.Neither on the listing itself.
A profile for the makerYes. A maker profile with your products, followers, streak and a place on the leaderboard.The listing is about the startup, not the person who built it.
What keeps working afterwardsThe page, plus a place in the weekly, monthly and yearly boards and in the category pages.The page, and the newsletter send that came with it.
Reach
NewsletterWeekly, three products, the ones that rose to the top of the week.Daily digest, 70,000+ subscribers by its own figure.
Published audienceNo traffic figure is published, but every other number is, on the Open Analytics page.500,000+ monthly pageviews and 24,000+ startups promoted, from its advertising page.
Paying for more visibilityA sponsored slot in the sidebar. It never changes a ranking.Boost from $99 a week or $199 a month, and a sponsorship package at $4,999 a month.

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One wants a waitlist, the other wants a working product

BetaList has described itself the same way since 2010: discover tomorrow's startups, today. It is built for the moment before launch, when what exists is a landing page and an email field, and the value it offers is a first tranche of early adopters who signed up to see exactly that. Pinterest and IFTTT were on it before anyone had heard of them. Its criteria follow from that: a clear value proposition, a good design, an innovative idea, and a real domain rather than a free subdomain or an app store link.

Awesome Indie wants the opposite end. The most common automatic refusal on Awesome Indie is a website that does not load or is still a template, because the point of a launch day is that people can go and use the thing while the discussion under it is happening. Early and rough is welcome. Not yet built is not.

Which means the sensible reading is not either-or. If you have a waitlist, BetaList is the right shape for it. If you have shipped, a launch day on Awesome Indie is the right shape for that, and there is nothing stopping the same product doing both a few months apart. Awesome Indie was on BetaList in April 2021, described there as a directory that only accepts products made by indie makers or independent teams.

A list, or a day that gets decided

A BetaList listing is a curated entry with a date on it. There is no upvote, no comment thread and no leaderboard, which is a legitimate design: it puts the editorial judgement first and does not pretend the crowd is voting when it is not.

A day on Awesome Indie is a competition with a published rule. Products are ordered by upvotes and nothing else, no editorial weighting and no position for sale, and when the day ends it is archived exactly as it finished. The product then goes on being ranked in its week, its month and its year. 1,400 of those days are archived on Awesome Indie going back to 2020.

The honest caveat is scale. Days on Awesome Indie are often decided in single figures of upvotes. If you want a competition that certifies something, that number is too small to certify much yet. If you want a launch day you can actually win with a modest audience, it is the entire reason this works.

The honest ledger

A comparison written by one of the two sites is worth nothing if it only lists its own wins. Here is the column that goes the other way, first.

What BetaList does better

Fifteen years of the right audience

70,000+ newsletter subscribers and 500,000+ monthly pageviews, made up of people who came to find early startups.

It works before you have shipped

Almost nowhere else will feature a landing page and a waitlist. This is the category it invented.

A short list, curated by a person

Roughly 8 to 16 startups a day out of thousands of monthly submissions, which is why the list is worth reading.

You get the money back if you are not picked

Its FAQ promises a full automatic refund when a startup is not selected, which takes most of the risk out of paying.

What Awesome Indie does better

Free, with no card at any point

The launch day, the page, the badges and the profile cost nothing, and always have.

A date you can plan around

Accepted products get a fixed launch date, usually within the hour of submitting, and it never moves.

A ranked day and a permanent archive

Ordered by upvotes alone, then archived, and still ranked in the week, the month and the year afterwards.

Comments, ratings and a maker profile

A launch on Awesome Indie is a conversation attached to a person, not a card in a list.

How to use both

These two fit a product at different ages, so the useful question is not which one, it is when each one. This is the order that gets the most out of both.

  1. While it is still a landing page, go to BetaList

    A clear value proposition, a real domain and a working email capture are what its curator is looking for. Budget for the submission and remember it is refunded if you are not selected.

  2. Ship something a stranger can use

    A page that loads and honestly describes what the product does is the whole bar on Awesome Indie. Early is fine. Plenty of launches on the site are.

  3. Submit to Awesome Indie and take the next free date

    Free, a decision usually within the hour, and a date that does not move. Tell the waitlist BetaList built for you to turn up on the day. That is the part most people leave on the table.

  4. Let the page keep working

    The listing stays at the same address, keeps being ranked in longer periods, and sits in a handful of the site's categories, which is where most later traffic comes from.

BetaList questions, answered plainly

Is BetaList free to submit to?
No, not any more. Its FAQ states that all submissions now require payment and that review speed depends on the plan you choose. If your startup is not selected, it says you are refunded in full and automatically. The prices are shown inside the submission flow rather than on a public pricing page.
Is Awesome Indie a free BetaList alternative?
It is free, and it is a daily list of new indie products, so for most purposes yes. The difference worth understanding is stage: BetaList is built for pre-launch startups with a waitlist, and a launch day on Awesome Indie needs a product people can actually use. If you have shipped, this is the closer fit as well as the cheaper one.
Does BetaList have upvotes or a ranking?
No. A listing shows the date it was featured and there is no leaderboard. Every day on Awesome Indie is ordered by upvotes and nothing else, then archived as it finished, and the product carries on being ranked in its week, month and year.
Can I use both?
Yes, and they sequence naturally: BetaList while you are collecting a waitlist, Awesome Indie when the product works. Neither asks for exclusivity. Awesome Indie itself was featured on BetaList on 10 April 2021.
How big is Awesome Indie?
3,360 products have launched across 1,400 launch days since 2020, from 9,438 makers in 80 countries, with 15–30 going out a day at the moment. The running numbers, including the flat months, are on the Open Analytics page.

Other comparisons

The same treatment, for the other places makers submit to.